MadOzz
2 months ago
What is the appeal?
What is it exactly? The show itself is bland and generic. Nothing noteworthy about it except for the whole large family aspect. Although, that was better executed with the Brady Bunch and several others. Is it the girls? They're not that interesting. They only become somewhat interesting in fanfiction. It's hilarious when fan fiction has better characters than the show itself made by "professionals". They're 2-dimensional.

Good characters should be:
- dimensional
- fascinating
- compelling
- believable
They dont need to be likable, relatable or sympathetic. Too many writers use these traits instead of those above and majority of the time, its done poorly.

The Loud House characters are not any of the four listed above. There is nothing to them. So, what is the appeal?
thegreatgreninja
2 months ago
this is bait people
Xero
2 months ago
It's sad that you made a profile just to do this.
Dude get a life, hell friggen greninja saw through you.
MadOzz
2 months ago
thegreatgreninja said:
this is bait people

Not bait, just genuinely curious. What exactly is the appeal of this show?
Xero
2 months ago
Yeah. This isn't baiting, people constantly go to fan sites for shows they don't like just to insult them in the forums and say "prove me wrong!".
MadOzz
2 months ago
Xero said:
It's sad that you made a profile just to do this.
Dude get a life, hell friggen greninja saw through you.

I like to go the extra mile when it comes to gaining more information to acquire a better understanding of certain topics. My curiosity was piqued, and i want it satisfied. I want answers. What is the appeal of this show?
Xero
2 months ago
Oh piss off.
I can already tell if I say anything I like about the show and the characters you're just gonna respond with "its bland and boring.".
You blew your entire load with the first post and made yourself predictable that quick.
MadOzz
2 months ago
Xero said:
Oh piss off.
I can already tell if I say anything I like about the show and the characters you're just gonna respond with "its bland and boring.".
You blew your entire load with the first post and made yourself predictable that quick.

I have already stated that it's "bland and boring". Why does that need repeating? And if you think that i "blew my entire load" with my first post, then you are sadly mistaken. I planned on going into more detail with the issues of the show, but i decided against it and put it off for a later time.
Amazing_Arachnid
2 months ago
Madozz said:
"No guys I'm totally not a troll. That's why my post is full of nothing but childish and shallow insults, instead of any real criticism."

Like all retards he'll eventually go away.
Just ignore him.
Almighty_Woner
2 months ago
You`re not going to find your answers here, I suggest going to the Loud Wiki assuming you are genuine and not just trying to piss people off.

You're being way to vague in your criticisms, how is it boring or bland?
By what standard, the Brady Bunch? Aside from the large family aspect this show has nothing in common with it, and if you think it does and you're not a troll please go ahead.

Your post is too vague and your declarations of the show being boring are far too objective for anyone too give you a proper answer, you sound like someone asking a rhetorical question.
MadOzz
2 months ago
Almighty_Woner said:
You`re not going to find your answers here, I suggest going to the Loud Wiki assuming you are genuine and not just trying to piss people off.

You're being way to vague in your criticisms, how is it boring or bland?
By what standard, the Brady Bunch? Aside from the large family aspect this show has nothing in common with it, and if you think it does and you're not a troll please go ahead.

Your post is too vague and your declarations of the show being boring are far too objective for anyone too give you a proper answer, you sound like someone asking a rhetorical question.

I never said that it was "boring". I said that it was bland and generic. You see, the Loud House is a sitcom. A family sitcom to be exact. There are already so many of those in existence, that all the potential stories that could be done in a family sitcom have already been exhausted. They're only retreading old ground. Nothing new at all. Even if there is something new that can be brought to the table, the current crop of writers definitely do not have the writing skill needed to do such a thing. The Loud House is MEDIOCRE.

The 80s and 90s were host to a plethora of sitcoms. Especially the biggest ANIMATED sitcom of them all, the Simpsons. The Loud House at its current state can never measure up to what was classic Simpsons. There is no comparison. The characters in tLH lack the much needed depth to them that classic Simpsons had in spades.

Classic Simpsons had the advantage over your average everyday sitcom for one reason: ANIMATION. with animation, you can do so much more. So, my problem with the Loud House is that it doesnt do anything with it. Its SAFE. And that is BAD. The show doesnt try to get out of its comfort zone and try new things. Its the same old thing we've seen a hundred times over.
Xero
2 months ago
I hope you know capitalizing an entire word doesn't suddenly make it mean anything, or make your so-called argument better.
And still all your "criticisms" are as shallow as a puddle.
"It's mediocre because it's about a family."
"Simpsons characters had depth, Loud house doesn't"
"The animation is safe"
But you never actually explain any of it, you just say "because it is" like a child and fanboy about old Simpsons.
Almighty_Woner
2 months ago
1. Married with Kids was way superior due to its more relatable cast.

2. Simpsons is still rooted in reality so they can only go so far with the animation.

3. Simpsons was and is still aimed at adults and teens, Loud House is aimed at kids.
Find a kids show with a similar theme and come back.

4. Yes you did say it was boring, are you not aware that bland and boring are
synonymous with each other?
MadOzz
2 months ago
Some of the issues with the show can be rectified in several ways. One issue is that the family is too big. There's too many characters and not enough are being fleshed out. To fix this, you can make the core cast smaller. Here's the issues I have with each sibling:
- Lori: Cliche bossy big sister. Too many like her in other forms of media. She's unnecessary.
- Leni: Cliche dumb blonde. Keep the ditziness and clumsiness but add something else to her.
- Luna: Rockstar wannabe. Keep the musical aspect to her but change her around a bit. Make her stand out more.
- Luan: Her comedy isnt funny. Puns are the lowest form of comedy. Also, her being unfunny also deosnt work as recurring gag. It gets annoying quick. Change her completely.
- Lynn: Tomboy. Lana is already a tomboy so Lynn ends up being redundant. Remove her.
- Lucy: Goth girl archetype. 8 year old goth is too hard to believe. It would make more sense if she was a Les Enfants Terribles type of character. However, she isn't so she needs to be changed.
- Lola/Lana: Their dynamic is fine but without Lynn, Lan can now be the sporty one which inevitably makes their dynamic stronger.
- Lisa: She's too unbelievable as a character. Therefore, she needs to be changed.
- Lily: She's just the bay. Not interesting enough. Age her up.

Here are some possible alterations to the core cast:
- Lily: Maybe they could have made her a little older and give Lincoln a little sister that looks up to him. Something that is surely missing from the show.
- Lucy/Luan: She's the goth girl archetype. However, I find it unlikely for an 8 year old to be goth. It would make more sense for her to be one of the older kids instead of the younger ones. Teenagers are more likely to be goth than prepubescent children. She'd be one of those teenagers going through their "Crawling in my skin" phase. Either that, or just merge her and Luan. This version would be an introvert who dresses goth-like and would be mute. You could have a recurring gag where she is about to say something, only to be interrupted by her more extroverted sisters. This would causes her to shrink back and say nothing for the rest of the episode. She's the shrinking violet of the family. Lincoln would be the one responsible for having her become more extroverted. One episode could have him finally make her able to smile. When she would get scared or shy around other people, she would hide behind her brother. I'm sure a character like this would prove very popular.
- Lynn: She's the tomboy archetype. However she has none of the redeeming qualities of that of a tomboy. Not even that girl next door quality to her. She's a cunt. Why have Lynn when you already have Lana. Lana is the boyish girl to Lola's girly girl. There's no reason for Lynn to exist. You could merge merge the two together and lose nothing. Get rid of the mechanic stuff and just have her be the sporty one. Now the Lola/Lana dynamic makes more sense and is more believable.
- Lola/Lana: Lola is an ice queen. Lola still has that bitchy side to her which in turn makes Lincoln keep his distance from her at times. For Lana, its the opposite. Lana looks up to her big brother and Lincoln in turn gives affection to her, much to the dismay of Lola. Lola is envious of the affection that Lana receives and wishes to receive the same from her brother. However, due to her cold personality, this is not possible. Sometimes she cries alone at night, wishing for her big brother to hug her and say everything's okay. She does this when Lana goes to sleep with Lincoln. Lincoln isn't intentionally ignoring her in most cases. Especially the whole crying in her sleep thing. He just doesn't know and Lola hides it well. Although, Lana does have her suspicions. Lincoln simply has a lot on his plate due to being responsible for all the sisters. The parents recognize that he is the most mature and responsible out of them all, so he gets put in charge by default. Lana would be like the little brother that Lincoln never had.
- Lincoln: Make Lincoln more interesting as a character. Maybe make him more snarky and sarcastic to the things around him. You could have him facepalm or bang his head on the table/wall as a recurring gag reaction to whenever Leni does or says something stupid. Lincoln would be the smartest one in the family. He's the second oldest. Possibly have him have an interest in martial arts. He could teach Lana some martial arts as well, making him also a teacher to her. This would make their bond stronger.
- Lisa: She wouldn't be the "genius" she is in the show. Instead, she's more like a wannabe genius. Basically, this is a girl who watched too many Frankenstein movies and wants to be a mad scientist, not knowing that actual scientists aren't like that at all. She's just a little girl who is in over her head and causes a lot of trouble for the family with her "experiments". Lincoln would usually be the one to stop her from endangering herself and Lily.
- Luna: She would be the cousin of the Loud House family instead of their sister. She is from London and dresses in a British Mod style. Her parents dumped her on the Louds due to her being too much trouble for them. Whenever you may have any Luna centric episodes, music videos displaying different styles of music complete with different art styles would be featured. Something akin to Class of 3000 if anyone remembers that.
- Leni: While Leni is still ditzy and clumsy, she is much more motherly. Especially towards the younger ones. Although, she's the oldest, she's still Leni. So, naturally, Lincoln gets put in charge by default. She admires Lincoln for his maturity and responsibility and wishes that she could someday be like him.
MadOzz
2 months ago
Jesus Christ, I didn't notice that i typed up such a long post. Damn.
Del
2 months ago
So you don't like the show for what it is, and would rather change the stereotype of each characters into another stereotype?

The appeal of the show depends on the viewer and not the critical crowd. Thats why everything is overly simple and even unbelievable (IE Rita and Lynn Sr being very incompetent parents unless the plot needs them to be useful). The show do not have a core direction since its a kids comedy. Each character have a separate personality that is meant to clash with each other but its not enough to divide them, thats the whole point.

In general all you're doing is complaining about the characters and just want them to appeal to you. If the show do not appeal to you don't want it. Just like any show, Loud House isn't for everyone. I'm quite fond of it but if I want to make some changes I'll just write fanfics.
Xero
2 months ago
Still can't actually explain what's wrong with characters, just saying cliche to everything, and saying they need to be either changed or removed for utterly stupid reasons.
You typed more about what you want the characters to be than what's actually wrong with them, basically saying that the main problem is the show isn't going out of it's way to cater specifically to you.
MadOzz
2 months ago
Del said:
So you don't like the show for what it is, and would rather change the stereotype of each characters into another stereotype?

The appeal of the show depends on the viewer and not the critical crowd. Thats why everything is overly simple and even unbelievable (IE Rita and Lynn Sr being very incompetent parents unless the plot needs them to be useful). The show do not have a core direction since its a kids comedy. Each character have a separate personality that is meant to clash with each other but its not enough to divide them, thats the whole point.

In general all you're doing is complaining about the characters and just want them to appeal to you. If the show do not appeal to you don't want it. Just like any show, Loud House isn't for everyone. I'm quite fond of it but if I want to make some changes I'll just write fanfics.

All characters are archetypes of something. It's just with good writing, you build on that archetype to make a well rounded 3 dimensional character. With bad writing, the character is just nothing but the archetype. They're 2 dimensional. The Loud House does make some attempts to do this, but it all ends up falling flat due to piss poor writing. The writers just suck. They can't make interesting characters to save their life. Not just the characters, but also the art style. Its bad. Very bad. I'm fully aware that its supposed to emulate the style of Sunday comic strips. However, it fails at that because those comic strips looked good or had a certain charm to them. This show has neither. This isnt Peanuts or Calvin and Hobbes. It's no where near that level.

Here's the thing: I'm sure some of you are aware of Savino's previous work known as "Eddy Puss". So, yes he made a few comic strips about it. However, some of the comic strips are made by him. In those strips, its credited to "NOT Savino". Those strips are actually fan comics. Here's the kicker. The fan comics were drawn much better than the ones who were made by the actual creator. That's hilarious. An industry professional being bested by a NSFW artist. I mean, it makes sense. You might find it hard to believe but plenty of mangakas got their start drawing hentai. Guy who did Helsing, his first work was a hentai manga. Some of the characters in that manga ended up in Helsing. He doesnt care, Japan doesnt care. Do whatever.

It being overly simple is the reason its so bland and generic. That's not a good thing. Stop thinking that it is. No one should ever make an excuse for the failures of others. It's a mediocre show with nothing new to offer. Not with its characters, not with its writing, not with its art style, and especially not with its animation.
MadOzz
2 months ago
Xero said:
Still can't actually explain what's wrong with characters, just saying cliche to everything, and saying they need to be either changed or removed for utterly stupid reasons.
You typed more about what you want the characters to be than what's actually wrong with them, basically saying that the main problem is the show isn't going out of it's way to cater specifically to you.

I already explained. There's no need to go in such detailed explanations for what are nothing but archetypes. As i said above, all characters are archetypes. It only depends on the skill of the writer to transform that character from a 2 dimensional archetype, to a 3 dimensional character. Every character needs substance. The Loud House characters have the basic minimum of what makes a character a character. The writers honestly don't do themselves any favors. If this is them trying, then they have no business being writers.

Lynn is redundant because of because of Lana. Lana needs the tomboy aspect more due to her needing to be the polar opposite of Lola. Therefore, by process of elimination, Lynn gets cut. Lynn is the overly competitive tomboy. She has no redeeming qualities to her. She is a cunt. As I can tell from the booru, Lana is favored more than Lynn. The bullying episode doesn't count because for starters, the continuity in this show is flimsy, nearly non existent. Lynn didnt learn anything and change for the better. After that, she just returned to being her usual cunty self. It's like nothing happened. No character growth. Yeah.

Lori is just another one of those bossy big sister types. We already have so many of those. We dont need another one.

Lincoln's character needs more work. That much is true. But his design is terrible. He literally has a circle for a head. It's very distracting since he's the only one who's like that and everyone else has a more realistic shaped head. He also has a pill body. They all have pill bodies. That is very odd. Savino should have learned some anatomy because his characters look weird as shit. The characters only look good when drawn by more talented artists.

This show has no reason to have a fandom as large as this. It's doesn't have memorable jokes and moments like Classic Spongebob. It isnt even funny at all. How is any of this funny. You have to have good writing skills to write good comedy. They don't. That's why it sucks.
Xero
2 months ago
Despite the walls of the text you keep making, you're doing exactly what I said: falling back to calling everything bland and generic and using childish insults against the show and the people behind it.
Just say "Stop liking what I don't" already and stop wasting everyone's time here.
Especially if you're gonna write giant passages like this, where most of it is just attacking the staff and jerking off old cartoons, and just making immature insults at the show when you actually do talk about it.


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