patanu
7 months ago
Let talk about this Lemy thing
Alright so. This whole thing with Lemy is getting weird. So im just making this forum to really understand where everyone is coming in this debate. And why people are so damn vindictive and defensive about some OC?

So lets talk. Tell me what you dont like about the kid. What you do like about the kid. Why you want him burn or just be forgotten.

I'm aware of a few good few reasons, but I wanna hear what you have to say. Im just here for a conversation.
lupafag
7 months ago
The only real gripe I've got is he throws off the symmetry of the incest, I guess.
patanu
7 months ago
Well thats certaintly a unqiue gripe. Ill give you that.
Witchfinder
7 months ago
"symmetry of the incest"

What does that even mean?


I'm warming up to him. Let's face it: the only reason people don't like him is because he's a boy. Once I got past that, I started liking him.

Honestly, I think he needs a new outfit. Or just lose that damn bandanna. It makes him look like someone who just got booted from Team Skull. He looks a lot better without it anyway.
patanu
7 months ago
Well his original design he didnt have the bandanna but honestly he looked too similiar to Lupa just with scruffy hair. The bandanna was actually a last second addition to make him stand out.
patanu
7 months ago
Also I keep seeing that im forching Lemy on folks. But I dont understand how im forching him? Im just drawing shit. Not like im asking people to just accept him.
Misha
7 months ago
And why people are so damn vindictive and defensive about some OC?


Autism.

patanu said:
Also I keep seeing that im forcing Lemy on folks. But I dont understand how im forcing him? Im just drawing shit. Not like im asking people to just accept him.


"Forced" is just booruspeak for "I don't like it" like how Luaggie and Suna is forced.
Sprocket
7 months ago
patanu said:
Also I keep seeing that im forching Lemy on folks. But I dont understand how im forching him? Im just drawing shit. Not like im asking people to just accept him.

I like Lemy, he is by far Lincoln's best son and you aren't forcing him on anyone people only hate him because he's a boy
Agent1215214
7 months ago
From what I can gather we're sort of forming a converging head-cannon, so any child made by Lincoln and one his sisters are considered part of this shared universe.

There are probably several factors for why he's receiving some hate, one reason is that a lot of the guys here are super defensive about sharing the girls with anyone (e.g. Clyde, Bobby, Steven U., etc.) even with girls (Sam/Maggie). Lincoln basically serves as the main avatar for their head-cannons, so Lemy is probably seen as redundant.

Another reason is perhaps that you're just the latest target of the hate mob that's been plaguing this site, so I suggest just to wait it out and hopefully they'll find something else to pick on.

I like Lemy too, I don't mind his design and I think that Lincoln should have at least one son to mirror his father. But if you really want to make him more likable you could try to write him to be more likable, build on his relationship with his family, establish some of his personality, likes, dislikes, backstory, etc., and let his character grow organically. Eventually people might warm up to him.

lupafag
7 months ago
Witchfinder said:
"symmetry of the incest"

What does that even mean?

It means that more than one kid per sister is kinda off. Having Lyra and Lemy both come from Luna is weird. Like everyone else has one, and then suddenly there's this extra one that comes outta nowhere and happens to also be a boy. Symmetry. I'm not saying it's something significant, just that it's something I'm not a fan of by virtue of Lemy's existence. It's interesting to see his development like the other non-Lani abominations, but that still bugs me.
patanu
7 months ago
Agent1215214 said:

If you really want to make him more likable you could try to write him to be more likable, build on his relationship with his family, establish some of his personality, likes, dislikes, backstory, etc., and let his character grow organically. Eventually people might warm up to him.



Thats pretty much what im trying to do at this point. I have ideas and directions I can take the kid. Espcielly some good ones I got from other CC's. Just need to find the time to illustrate it.
Loudfag
7 months ago
I have no problem with a Lincoln's son, but I feel that not being introduced at the time along with the other sisters, he does not feel like part of the cast, it makes me think of scrappy doo, the new girl power puff girl, or any character added only to attract new audiences in a old show. In addition to how Lupafag mentioned, one child per sister was practically a self-imposed rule by the community. No artist had gotten into this, maybe for the simple reason "if it's not broken, don't fix it."

If he had been introduced as the son of another character like sam or maggie it would not have been a big problem, but placing him among the principals, I do not know, it just did not feel right.

I can not speak for others, but although I love and respect your work patanu, I feel that you have tried to give too much prominence to your character, when by right, Lupa or Lacy are the true successors of Lincoln as the main character of this new generation . I am not a fan of your OC, but I respect your desire to draw what you like, but in the same way you do not expect everyone to blindly praise each one of your ideas.

I'll keep waiting to see more of your great work, and I'll just ignore anything that has to do with Lemi, I'm not interested in being part of any group of detractors or fans. I do not want to offend you or anything, I just wanted to give you my sincere opinion. Good luck in your future projects.
birdwarrior
7 months ago
i'm with loudfag you shouldn't have put it like right away with the principle immediately you should really have given the time this character to evolve by his own made like a luna X lincoln solo child and see what is good and what is not for the fans to see what they like about him and what not. That is mostly the difference from lemy and the other sin children we give them other the chance to mold the oc in to something good not perfect but something most can agree was ok.

The hate mostly started when you were doing the sin children story thing and most felt like you cheated your character inside of the story. And later you try it to fix it making another lincoln not because his characteristic but mostly his incest with his sister/cousin by being the only boy in the house(and middle children now that i think about it).That pissed more people.

Really the only thing that i can say its you need to start over don't erase him just really give it a chance to other artist and person mold the character for better or worse. you should really watch this episode of the simpson why many said its forced the character "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show".
Also i hate you're oc but love your art.
Nothinglater
7 months ago
A lot of it just seems to be bitching for the sake of bitching.
They're gonna complain about how he's forced or stupid or whatever complaint because they plain don't like him.

To be honest, it seems like any Male Sin Child or Loud NextGen OC is gonna get complaints because He's gonna be immediately seen as Self-insert or some stupid shit.
Logan Loud doesn't seem to have gotten much, but that might be because he's relatively obscure and the 63'd version of Lupa/Lacy/Liby seem to get a pass because they're genderswapped versions of the most popular ones.

Suddenly giving any Loudcest pairing a second kid throws off the "agreed upon" canon that's been set up around the Sin Children group canon, so there's that too.
which I think is kinda stupid. There's plenty of freedom to mess around with different Sin Children from the same pairings, and it's interesting to see what people do with it.

I like the guy, so I don't have much else to really add other than I'm hoping to see more, and I'm sort of looking forward to the inevidable 63'd versions of all the Sin Children.
patanu
7 months ago
I suppose thats the root of the problem. I threw the kid in the deep end before I even knew he could float.

Looking back at it. I suppose I wanted to add something of my own to it all. I mean I drew nothing but Lynncoln and random requests just to draw something. And with the sin kids redesigns I got too ahead of myself and tried to cram something of my own in without considering the ramifications and audience.

Like when SB99 drew them up he didnt make a story around them he just drew em' up and let people do what they want. And others took that and made what they could. Meanwhile I just tried to cram the poor kid in without context or so much as a backstory. Like any shitty original character people make.

Yeah, now I feel like a jackass.

Sorry folks.
patanu
7 months ago
That said. Im not giving up on the kid. Though this was a shitty time for my camera to break so I cant upload shit for a bit. Unless I find a scanner or something.

Ill just put the kid to rest for a bit. Bring him back out when I can actually do something productive with him.
birdwarrior
7 months ago
What should really do right now is try to stop the haters and the people that's defending your character from cutting there throats out. If you don't you really wont have anything to work with because it will become something of hate only.
Also if you do make him again remember hater gonna hate.
patanu
7 months ago
True. Guess Ill go take care of that.
Garbageanon
7 months ago
Hey pat. You know I took non of the stuff I drew serious right? I know you know so. I didn't mean for all that shit to blow out of wack. I'm saying this because I feel like the jackass here. So sorry dude.
patanu
7 months ago
I dont blame you dude. Honestly the whole discourse is damn stupid but you draw good stuff and whoever the anons are taking this too seriously or just being assholes. Fuck if I know.

But if anything, this whole thing has given me some perspective on the kid.


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